Love how Mat usually has to dig through mountains of content to get to the lore, but immediately rejects it when it's served to him on a silver platter
If I’m being honest, this game kinda was a “sorry for previously being a game with a vague story line just so Matpat has theories to make about it, here’s a game with a clear story that even casual players can pick up” and I liked that.
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Joey could have killed Tessa and used her soul to make Audrey after Nathan didn't lent him the money and the studio went broke. And if Nathan didn't know Joey was his wife's murderer, he could have bought the rights of the characters after Joey's death to honor someone he thought was his friend.
The thing about Joey and Allison's friendship also not making sense is the fact her arrival in the studio leads to Susie Campbell no longer being the voice actress for Alice Angel, leading to her eventual demise at Joey hands.
This really checks out when you consider that Wilson created the house maid in the image of his mother (the maid reveals this in the last chapter) - this makes a lot of sense for him to do if his mother had been killed by Joey and he was missing her.
@Nutty Nuts Nutstache Yeah, she died, and now Wilson misses her because she's dead. The cause of death has no relation to why Wilson misses her, it's purely just an explanation as to why she died in the first place.
@EZRATO I have a plausible reason. The fact that she died. You don't think the fact the she died would be a reason wilson misses her mother, and maybe NOT the cause of her death? Hmmmmmmm?
@Nutty Nuts Nutstache Maybe not, but the only other plausible reason I could think of as to why he'd be missing her is that she died of old age, which is possible, but would be odd, given that her husband is still alive and hasn't even retired yet. You might say it's simply cause she's not around much but eh, there's nothing in the game that hints at that to my knowledge, whereas there is possibly something that hints towards her death by Joey as discussed in the video
Matt: “The OBVIOUSLY evil janitor” Mark: “I am fully convinced this man’s evil appearance is just a red herring and he’s actually a normal, innocent man”
I have a couple of problems with this theory. First off Tessa Arch can't be Audrey, because in the Nathan Arch audio log that we find in Wilsons lab he mentions both visiting the animation department and bring a hotdog home for Tessa. This means that Tessa would still be alive while Audrey was working at Arch Gate Films, so they couldn't be the same person. Second off I think Joey is actually telling the truth for once. I believe him because he told Audrey she was never really human and at the end of the game the Ink Demon tells Audrey that she is like him. This would make sense if Joey was telling the truth because it would mean that the Ink Demon and Audrey were both created solely from the ink. Also, I know this doesn't change the fact that Joey has still done horrible things in the past, but just because a person can't fully redeem themselves doesn't mean they can't realize what they did was wrong and at least try to set some of the things they did right. One more thing, if you wondering why Audrey didn't turn out like the Ink Demon, I am not really certain myself, but I have a theory of my own. My theory is that after Audrey was created Joey showed her love and kindness which were things that the Ink Demon was never exposed to. Because of this Audrey grew up being able to feel compassion and empathy while the Ink Demon ended up becoming the soulless monster we all know and fear. P.S. Sorry for any grammar or punctuation errors.
After the closing of the studio when he tried to bring allison back to sacrifice her in BATIM/bendy 1 she wrote back saying, no im not going to come back, thanks but no thanks. MatPat forgot this since the first game, but he made it a BIG DEAL in his videos for BATIM.
I feel like most information about the studio came from the cycle, it could all be joey's version of it in the cycle, alicesen retroactivly being worked into that timeline to explain why she's in the studio (drew being a story teller, and caring about such things)
Kinda wish you would expand on it but this theory actually makes sense. Just think as to why or how Wilson was an undercover “janitor” and had the knowledge of the ink machines importance. And of all the workers why Audrey.
I love it when game developers (and those alike) are aware of MatPat and his theory crafting because game lore is important.. finding a deeper story and hidden meanings to events is added fun for the brain..
Matpat is one of the reasons why I want to make games in the first place bc of his obsession with lore, and has actually helped me put enough into them
Right! Sometimes it make a game worse but other times like this one they do a amazing job doing the lore. Before matpat games definitely didn’t have as much lore.
Wow. I’ve been a fan of bendy since it came out 4 years ago. I can’t believe it’s been 5 years!! I also cant believe they published books…may have to check them out now that I know they exist
So yeah, Joey is now 100% evil.. a complete 180 from Matpat's theory about Joey changing to a nice man and reaching out to his former employees and ask them for forgiveness
Definitely a theory worth looking at, but can you explain the ending? Why would Joey still be a bad guy if he was willing enough to face off against the demon to get himself killed for Audrey?
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Honestly the dark revival attempting to wash away the consistent narrative of Joey being an awful person (especially in the books) never sat right with me, so I would prefer this theory to be true.
Few little observations 1) So Henry from the first game is meant to be an inky recreation of Henry, presumably without a soul. If that’s the case, how come he can touch the ink? Allison in the first game even said “we’re not like you Henry” and proceeds to describe how her and Tom couldn’t cross the ink because they didn’t have a soul and were made purely of ink, but Henry could since he, presumably, did have a soul. If he was just an inky recreation of Henry, he would be soulless, and therefore couldn’t touch the ink. Perhaps Joey is lying about that Henry being a recreation? (Or a continuity error) 2) While Matpat says that Joey is also torturing Allison, I don’t think he is, at least not the real one. Again, pointing out that scene from chapter 5 where Allison said they couldn’t cross the ink river because they weren’t like Henry. That would imply that both Allison and Tom are soulless, so there isn’t any way that Allison in the ink world is the real Allison
Listen, the whole melding into the Ink doesn't mean anything honestly. I mean- we see like multiple butchered Clones of Boris and the Butcher Gang, still... there! But the Boris and the Butcher Gang Members we meet all melt. Now, why would they do that? Well, they most likely didn't wish to have multiple ragdoll Corpses to be rendered for the Game.
@Lxttlecomfey I mean, ink creates *with* a soul can't touch it either, or atleast some. Alice in Chapter 3 in the first game mentions that IIRC. On that note, I think that Henry and Audrey are just special in that sense, compared to basically almost all other ink creatures.
@Holy Roman kinda hard to say- after all, while the story has established a clear difference between ink creatures with and without a soul, they’ve never really explicitly showed us ink creatures without a soul being able to touch ink. After all, the main trait of soulless ink creatures is that they can’t touch the ink,,,, it’d be a little weird to just have ONE soulless ink creature who can touch it
I'd love to see a theory about the 4 ruinous pokemon of paldea. I honest'y think they are tied into the regions history somehow at least based on their pokedex entry's.
Just a little small detail I thought I would mention, You say Audrey has a soul like all the other ink characters but she is different at one aspect from all of them.If I recall correctly they all have pupils only her eyes are blank, and you know what they say about eyes being windows to a persons soul. What if there is no window because there is no soul?
Can you do a theory on the VR games Vacation Simulator and Job Simulator? I’d really like to know how you’d think humans went extinct in this universe. Love your videos!
I'd like to point out that Audrey is part of a long line of experiments. There's a secret note that you can find in the Keepers Lair that says something along the lines of "Nearly all of them have called me 'Uncle'. But this one called me 'Dad'. For this, I am proud, as she is practically my daughter in every way". If y'all remember at the end of BATIM, a young girl's voice says "Tell me another one Uncle Joey". Now, knowing what we know in BATDR, we can work out that this young girl is one of the early prototypes for Audrey.
I think you got it wrong.. if you read the book “bendy: the lost ones” you can learn that THOMAS CONNOR was working on the ink machine and also claims that he built it. That means Joey probably helped building it or he built it. Idk but if you read that book, you’ll understand some stuff.
Another thing this theory blatantly ignores is that the Ink Demon calls Audrey the "Daughter of Drew" and he didn't here Joey's speech earlier in the game or he would've been hunting Audrey. He also has no motive to lie about this. So Audrey being Joey's daughter has to sources now. Also claiming that her soul must have been Wilson's mother is completely outlandish because for one thing I highly doubt he could get her to visit a friend of her husband's workplace and secondly it falls into fan theory "this offscreen character is the same gender as this character so they must be the same" energy.
I would like to point at that in one of the messages in game we find out that Joey made multiple versions of his daughter, those that called him "uncle Joey" instead of dad, we also hear a little girl saying "tell me another one, uncle Joey" at the end of chapter five in BATIM so can someone explain that how did he manage to create to make so many versions if all of them required a human soul?
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The theory of there being a part of a soul in Audrey would make sense with the mirror Easter egg. At the beginning of the game there's a mirror you can interact with in Audrey's office but interact with it too much and there's a ghost face jumpscare. It's very random but def fits with the soul theory!!
I would be hard pressed to use that Easter Egg for evidence, as Audrey doesn't seem to have any reaction for that jumpscare, like she's not aware of it, or nots actually happening. It may just be a fun quirk the devs put in.
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Considering the game is supposed to take place in the 1970s, it's comes off as strange that Audrey has a hair and clothing style that you'd see in the late 30s through the 40s.
There's game series called "The room" which I liked to play with my cousin as a child. It is very mysterious and it looks to have a lot of lore so would you maybe consider making a video about it? Ps I love your FNaF videos, and I can't wait for the next one
I'd like to mention that Bendy was a failure because he had no soul. Considering Allison is the more perfect version of Alice than even Susie became, there is no way she doesn't have any soul
hey Matpat, could you make a theory on the crow man from hello neighbor 2 and who it is that knocks you out at the end? your theories are awesome and i think it would be so cool
Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on Nathan Arch's audio logs, Joey was dead before Arch purchased the Bendy and Co IP. I believe as Joey didn't have an heir to his estate, Arch would have had to have purchased the rights from Gent. Unless I'm missing something
And hell, the final Act where you play as the Ink Demon (because Audrey fused with him) is symbolic. Both Audrey and the Ink Demon are one and the same, both souless and from the Ink, but have gone on different Paths and Choices.
Yes, this is an incredible weakspot of the Theory because Joey died cannonically in 1971, before Mr. Arch bought Bendy in 1972. And hell, wouldn't Nathan/Wilson Arch atleast notice and mention his Wife/Mother missing? Wouldn't he atleast do something about it?
Can I just say that I started laughing when Mat put in the Bendy books and said that no one would enjoy them, it just reminded me of his pain on the FNAF books.
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Matpat sure has been going on this streak of “the game was lying!” theories quite a bit lately, hasn’t he? First Golden Freddy wasn’t real and now Bendy lies.
This is the problem with Matpat he thinks too much about everything to the point that when they give him the story of something he says this is not the story It's not fun watching that It's annoying
But Nathan Arch didn’t “pick the company’s bones dry” (which seems like a harsh way to frame him trying to preserve his friend’s legacy) until *after* Joey had died.
@Soldier [TF2] Who did Nathan even buy them from at that point then? I’m unfamiliar with what rules apply there, but if Joey was dead, who does he pay to get the characters?
@Ready Pickles No, Nathan came up with the Idea *after* Joey died, he basically bought the Rights of the Cartoon since Joey was allready dead. And also don't forgot about the fact that Nathan bought Bendy in 1972, which was after Joey's Death in 1971. Honestly... how did he forget about that?
@Electric Yeah, this theory was filled with holes that rendered it null. Audrey isn't Joey Drew's first attempt at a daughter, and I don't remember any confirmation that Tessa was dead when Bendy 1 takes places (the little girl at the end of that game who called Joey "uncle Joey" was one of his previous attempts). Also, Mat's previous theory on Bendy 1 literally notes that, as of when that game was happening, Allison Pendle was doing well with her husband (shown by the same letter that actually gets referenced in this theory, lol), so she couldn't have been killed to turn into Alice angel.
@Hades Kratos Nathan had no idea how the ink machine worked, and had it put on display at the Joey Drew Museum at the beginning of the game. No one at Archgate did, except for Wilson.
Unless I missed something, I don’t think that the memory items actually correlate to who Audrey is. It’s more like scraps of others’ memories in this ink world for Audrey to find, especially since she says nothing about the objects herself. Basically, if the memory of Joey Drew is here and alive, how do we know those objects aren’t pieces of others’ memories instead?
@Anovatic True, but the name could be about her heritage in self discovery rather than her own memory. Like when Harry Potter looks at all of his parents’ memories, or sees his father being a bully. It relates to him, his role in things, and his attitude about stuff, even though those memories aren’t about himself. But, they help shape and guide his journey about who he is and who he wants to be. Also, my point about the other games is that true, different games with different studios handle things differently. My only point was that there is a precedent in videogames that your character picking up an object that relates to lore doesn’t have to be directly related to your character, but was just a method for the player to find lore items or collectibles.
@Amethyst But the actual achievement for collecting all 10 memories is called Self Discovery. That points to them being related to her in some way. Also, those other games aren’t Bendy and have a different team working on them that went in a different approach in their game than Bendy and can’t really be used to prove a point in this game.
I think maybe it's a bit of both. I think Joey used fond memories of his and others to help create Audrey. Shortly after you find the hotdog, you can find an audio recording from Nathan Arch talking about buying a hotdog and enjoying life.
One thing to consider: the achievement for collecting all 10 memories is called "Self Discovery." That seems to be a suggestion from the developers that these are, indeed, memories from Audrey's soul, or at least related to her.
you now I think it would be funney if the game theorists started to recommend a game of film that has not lore or complicated lore to matpat and gust watch him strudel in a 20 min video trying to find something to talk about.
Finished the game, it's a great one and i'm waiting for the next one, hopefully it doesn't take 5 years to make but i expect a new one, since there was a cliffhanger so i'm waiting meatly, i'm waiting
I would just like to say that this theory couldn't be right because joey made audrey before he died but nathon arch bought the rights to the bendy characters after joey dies, so joey would have no reason to use tessa to make audry. Other than that i liked the theory.
Its debunked because Nathan mentions his animation studio in the hotdog audiotape. Meaning that this took place after Nathan became owner of the Bendy IP. So Joey couldn't have taken Tessa because she was still alive after he passed.
@R1chards0n In that scene, Wilson's expressing how he doubted the stories about the studio, but he now believes them. I'm paraphrasing, but he goes on to say "Despite how much that sounds like nonsense, here we are." and pulls out the proof that convinced him in the first place: a little living bendy trapped in a glass.
@liliespetals19 but the buy out happens before the tape where Nathan mentions Tessa, so if the theory was correct that means that he was giving a hot dog to his dead wife who would complain about him not following his diet after she died?
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If Joey lied about the lore, I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that he lied about “making a Henry to torture” I remember seeing a headline in the games canon stating “animator found dead at his desk” maybe Joey came over to Henry’s place, somehow took his life and extracted his soul to put in the machine.
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Okay, the problem with this theory is that Tessa didn't die and get thrown into the machine since there is an audio log before the last boss fight where Nathan Arch is talking about the new animation team and him going out to pick up a hot dog which Tessa told him to watch his diet so how could she have died?
I honestly assumed that Audrey was Henry's biological daughter and Joey used her in the experiment. Joey tricks Henry into the endless cycle of the machine and he takes his place in life. At the end of the first game we hear a young girl refer to him as "uncle Joey"
ya but its stated in a note that joey made multiple Audreys attempting to get the “perfect daughter” aka to refer to him as “dad” , all of the other attempts referred him as “Uncle”
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Theory idea: if the infinite ikea was real, i mean it was in real life, how long could you survive there with food,shelter and overall from the faceless employes. :)
@Hamsterman Yeah, but he instantly went for his own Plot, flying in an Abyss with no Evidence to support it other than 'what if...', instead of something that atleast can hold some Ground.
@Marty McDonalds Collapsed relevance? In the last 6 months only 3 videos (including this one) have not hit over 1 million views, and most of them have over 3 million.
No lie I was waiting for days for MatPat to cover this game. I could almost hear him in my ear: “The dark puddles whisper me secrets. They whisper me LOOOOOOOORRRE!!!”
Don't you think its strange, that when Joey was mad at someone he turned that person into an ink version, but he abducted Tessa that didn't do anything wrong?
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